Is the champions league set up to predictable now!

beartons · 10-22-2006, 04:13 PM

i believe the champions league set up has had its day,it was good in the early 90s to maybe late 90s, i feel the champions should just qualify,and the rest thrown into a new european competition!
we all love the world cup,cos its every 4 years,having this set up in europe every year is only keeping the big clubs big and its slowly destroying or diluting the excitment of the game! especially in scotland as we do not get the massive amount of money from tv,though our teams will have a good season here and there! so elitism is bred and its becoming harder and harder for smaller clubs or smaller leagues to have a chance,especially with the seeding system etc ! any thoughts?

goldenHuddlestone · 10-22-2006, 04:45 PM

But if whent hey don't qualify teams like FC Thun get HUGE paydays from just six games. How else would they get that kind of cash to clear up substantial amounts of their debt

squid · 10-23-2006, 03:43 PM

largest competition goes to Europes largest teams. You can argue that the the likes of Thun get a pay day from the six games but the real payday is for Europes elite. I still despise the fact that countries get more than one entry into the 'champions' league.

However my own counter argument to this is that it does make for an entertaining comp. stuck between the devil and the deep blue see.

Malaka 69 · 10-23-2006, 03:44 PM

maybe they should just drop the Champions part of the name. Going back to the old days of the European cup will never happen. The C/L is great. Plus, it gives both the Old Firm a chance to enter it and make much needed money.

Matt the Thrasher · 10-23-2006, 04:14 PM

I think the CL should be for champions only it's just a money making exercise.

Jedi Knight · 10-23-2006, 05:20 PM

whilst i understand the frustration and sentiment behind these posts, the problem as i see it, is that, if only the champions were allowed into the C/L then the 2nd tournament, be it the UEFA cup or whatever, would eclipse the C/L in terms of glamour and prestige. It could be that u would have the champions of Austria v the champs of Lithuania in the C/L or Milan v Valencia in the UEFA. What would u rather watch as a nuetral. Basically the UEFA cup would steel the spotlight from the C/L. Let's be honest, the C'L is a prelude to a full blown mid-week Euro league

goldenHuddlestone · 10-23-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jedi Knight

Let's be honest, the C'L is a prelude to a full blown mid-week Euro league

Do you think this will ever happen?

Jedi Knight · 10-23-2006, 07:22 PM

it already has and it's disguised as the 'Champions' League. A Euro tourny involving the top clubs (not club) from Europe playing mid-week. ringing any bells people?

goldenHuddlestone · 10-23-2006, 09:27 PM

But would you ever say that their would not be a domestic leauge but a huge European leauge.

Jedi Knight · 10-23-2006, 09:37 PM

i certainly hope not but stranger things have happened in football. One thing is for certain, the bigger want to get bigger and keep the small clubs down.

sdrawrof · 10-23-2006, 11:28 PM

Its nto the champion's league, simple as. call it Euro Cup or somehting that fits the description.

Jedi Knight · 10-24-2006, 11:00 AM

that's coming. The format is here to stay and that being the case then UEFA have to drop the 'Champions' tag for obvious reasons. To be honest that's all that's wrong with the competition

goldenHuddlestone · 10-24-2006, 01:30 PM

While its still making how many millions it is a year I think UEFA will be happy to watch the money role in really.

Another wa of making it slightly better and removing the dead wood would be to allow teams from outside Europe. Teams such as Corinthians and Internatiionazle would have a good chance I think. Also teams from the Mexocan Leauge and maybe even the American one.

Matt the Thrasher · 10-24-2006, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedi Knight

whilst i understand the frustration and sentiment behind these posts, the problem as i see it, is that, if only the champions were allowed into the C/L then the 2nd tournament, be it the UEFA cup or whatever, would eclipse the C/L in terms of glamour and prestige. It could be that u would have the champions of Austria v the champs of Lithuania in the C/L or Milan v Valencia in the UEFA. What would u rather watch as a nuetral. Basically the UEFA cup would steel the spotlight from the C/L. Let's be honest, the C'L is a prelude to a full blown mid-week Euro league

In the good old days whilst the European Cup was the most prestigeous (sp) many thought the UEFA cup was more difficult to win for the reasons you have said, however for a neutral I don't think it would matter whether they were watching Milan v Valencia in the champions league or the UEFA CUP.
I don't think the CL is about prestige more about making money.
I don't think a euro league will happen because the mega clubs the Man U's, Real Madrid's, Barcelona's,Milan's of this world can make more money in their own domestic leagues.

Jedi Knight · 10-24-2006, 02:33 PM

but it was the aforementioned clubs along with the other G14 clubs who pushed through the current C/L format in order to increase revenue. The C/L is already a form of a Euro league in its current format. In fact the big clubs have been pushing for the format to be extended. I totally agree, the current C/L is about money and that's the reason i started the thread 'has football lost its soul'. In answer to Beartons, the point i'm making is, if the C/L were just to be for national league champions, UEFA's flagship competiton will be eclipsed by the UEFA cup as that's where the big, prestigious games will be. I totally agree that the Champions part of the name does make a mockery of the competiton. Whether UEFA drop the tag 'Champions', remains to be seen.

dutch · 10-24-2006, 06:22 PM

Lost its spark of the grup stages

Jedi Knight · 10-24-2006, 06:37 PM

aside from the debate about whether UEFA should drop the 'Champions' tag from the tourny, it is still a great tournament running alongside the national leagues. At the end of the day, you can't beat C/L week especially when your team come from one of Europe's less glamorous leagues'

squid · 10-25-2006, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt the Thrasher

In the good old days whilst the European Cup was the most prestigeous (sp) many thought the UEFA cup was more difficult to win for the reasons you have said, however for a neutral I don't think it would matter whether they were watching Milan v Valencia in the champions league or the UEFA CUP.
I don't think the CL is about prestige more about making money.
I don't think a euro league will happen because the mega clubs the Man U's, Real Madrid's, Barcelona's,Milan's of this world can make more money in their own domestic leagues.

In the old days fans werent as aware of the quality of other leagues. you certainly never really saw other teams unless they were in europe.

10-22-2006, 04:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
beartons Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cumbernauld,the worst town in britain! Posts: 328 vCash: 500	Is the champions league set up to predictable now! i believe the champions league set up has had its day,it was good in the early 90s to maybe late 90s, i feel the champions should just qualify,and the rest thrown into a new european competition! we all love the world cup,cos its every 4 years,having this set up in europe every year is only keeping the big clubs big and its slowly destroying or diluting the excitment of the game! especially in scotland as we do not get the massive amount of money from tv,though our teams will have a good season here and there! so elitism is bred and its becoming harder and harder for smaller clubs or smaller leagues to have a chance,especially with the seeding system etc ! any thoughts? you know the rules!

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10-23-2006, 03:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
Malaka 69 Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 154 vCash: 515	maybe they should just drop the Champions part of the name. Going back to the old days of the European cup will never happen. The C/L is great. Plus, it gives both the Old Firm a chance to enter it and make much needed money. We don't just beat 'em.....we HUMP 'em baby!!

10-23-2006, 04:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
Matt the Thrasher Admin Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Figueira da Foz ,Portugal Posts: 3,156 vCash: 379	I think the CL should be for champions only it's just a money making exercise. The boys of NYPD choir still singing Galway Bay.

10-23-2006, 05:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	whilst i understand the frustration and sentiment behind these posts, the problem as i see it, is that, if only the champions were allowed into the C/L then the 2nd tournament, be it the UEFA cup or whatever, would eclipse the C/L in terms of glamour and prestige. It could be that u would have the champions of Austria v the champs of Lithuania in the C/L or Milan v Valencia in the UEFA. What would u rather watch as a nuetral. Basically the UEFA cup would steel the spotlight from the C/L. Let's be honest, the C'L is a prelude to a full blown mid-week Euro league The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

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10-22-2006, 04:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	But if whent hey don't qualify teams like FC Thun get HUGE paydays from just six games. How else would they get that kind of cash to clear up substantial amounts of their debt

10-23-2006, 03:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
squid Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 768 vCash: 500	largest competition goes to Europes largest teams. You can argue that the the likes of Thun get a pay day from the six games but the real payday is for Europes elite. I still despise the fact that countries get more than one entry into the 'champions' league. However my own counter argument to this is that it does make for an entertaining comp. stuck between the devil and the deep blue see.

10-23-2006, 07:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	it already has and it's disguised as the 'Champions' League. A Euro tourny involving the top clubs (not club) from Europe playing mid-week. ringing any bells people? The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

10-23-2006, 09:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	But would you ever say that their would not be a domestic leauge but a huge European leauge.

10-23-2006, 09:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	i certainly hope not but stranger things have happened in football. One thing is for certain, the bigger want to get bigger and keep the small clubs down. The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

10-23-2006, 11:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
sdrawrof 10 dolphins and a wall Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: earth Posts: 506 vCash: 500	Its nto the champion's league, simple as. call it Euro Cup or somehting that fits the description.

10-24-2006, 11:00 AM	#12 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	that's coming. The format is here to stay and that being the case then UEFA have to drop the 'Champions' tag for obvious reasons. To be honest that's all that's wrong with the competition The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

10-24-2006, 01:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	While its still making how many millions it is a year I think UEFA will be happy to watch the money role in really. Another wa of making it slightly better and removing the dead wood would be to allow teams from outside Europe. Teams such as Corinthians and Internatiionazle would have a good chance I think. Also teams from the Mexocan Leauge and maybe even the American one.

10-24-2006, 02:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	but it was the aforementioned clubs along with the other G14 clubs who pushed through the current C/L format in order to increase revenue. The C/L is already a form of a Euro league in its current format. In fact the big clubs have been pushing for the format to be extended. I totally agree, the current C/L is about money and that's the reason i started the thread 'has football lost its soul'. In answer to Beartons, the point i'm making is, if the C/L were just to be for national league champions, UEFA's flagship competiton will be eclipsed by the UEFA cup as that's where the big, prestigious games will be. I totally agree that the Champions part of the name does make a mockery of the competiton. Whether UEFA drop the tag 'Champions', remains to be seen. The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

10-24-2006, 06:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
dutch Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 203 vCash: 500	Lost its spark of the grup stages

10-24-2006, 06:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	aside from the debate about whether UEFA should drop the 'Champions' tag from the tourny, it is still a great tournament running alongside the national leagues. At the end of the day, you can't beat C/L week especially when your team come from one of Europe's less glamorous leagues' The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

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