[Jedi Knight]

After Giggs disgraceful and blatant dive to win his side a penalty, i fear what was once thought to be a foreign trait is now creeping into the psyche of British players.
If it had been a foreign player who won that penalty last night, he would have been lambasted for being a cheat but nothing was mentioned as Giggs is British. Are we still trying to claim the moral high ground when it comes to diving?

[squid]

he dived, he dived, he's just big cheating diving diver. After the game he probobly dived down to pub to celebrate his illgotton penelty, before diving up the road and diving in to bed where he performed other acts of diving with mrs giggs. You would think that playing for a club like man u which has such a financial advantage over other clubs would be enough of an edge for these players and he has to go and break the rules. Celtic were always going to have a tough time and the last thing they need was giggs, who i actually thought was an honest player, flying to the floor because an oposition player breathed on him.

Back to the point of the thread; yes brittish players do dive and con the ref. Theyve been doing it for years and its only going to be stopped if manager take action against thier own players. But they wont cause theres to much money at stake and teams will do anything to win. It sucks.

[goldenHuddlestone]

Its to do with the amount of times they do it. Yes it is creeping into the English game which is unfortunate but I think their will be a huge crack down soon.

[Jedi Knight]

agree. They should use video evidence to punish players who blatanlty dive to gain, for example, a penalty or to get an oppostion player sent off. British players (inc some Scottish players) should think twice b4 taking the moral high ground and slating foreign players for diving.
Just remember how good a spectacle the World Cup semi between Germany and Italy was becuase the ref showed from the start he wouldn't tolerate diving and as a result there was none

[Joe]

It is part of the 'game' now. Foreign players believe that this is just another aspect to the game, some say that it is to make sure they get the free kick, with others -when they roll around as if shot- are trying to gain an advantage by getting the other player sent off.

The crazy thing is, there has only been one referee who could handle divers like this over and over again - Collina. Why can't we educate all referees in his tactics?

[Jedi Knight]

i seem to remember UEFA (now there's a joke) saying they would crack down on what amounts to cheating and the silence is deafening. THey failed to take action when the tabloids saw the Porto team practising diving for an hour the day before the UEFA cup final against Celtic.
That's twice now we've recently been cheated out of a point with a player diving and winning a penalty

[theo kawala]

dont worry the f.a will do something about it soon and will tell the referees a lil something

[goldenHuddlestone]

I don;t know how but it needs to be done internally by the clubs rather than externally by the Fa

[Jedi Knight]

totally disagree as players dive to GAIN AN ADVANTAGE FOR THEIR SIDE.As i said in a previous post, Porto were found to be practising diving b4 their UEFA cup final against Celtic. I can hardly see them, for example telling their players not dive.
The only way it can be stamped out is when players know that action will be taken against them post game. Once players know they'll receive bans then they might think twice about the old dying swan act

[sdrawrof]

I find it funny that he is also on manu

[squid]

you noted the germany italy game earlier on Jedi and i think this game showed how you can cut out the diving and cheating. That referee contriolled the game. By this i dont mean that he was constantly telling players off and booking them for simulations. He bossed that game by what he didnt do. He didnt stop the game because an italian was acting like he'd been shot. He played on, and once the players rwalised this they got up off thier ar** to go help thier team.

The way this guy reffed that match should be an example to other refs. They do have the ability to help stop this cheating.

I also agree about the tv evidence 4th eye argument for sendings off and penalties. People say that these would delay the game but when have ever seen a penalty or read card given without loads of protests that delay the game?

[goldenHuddlestone]

I saw an intresting dive by Ballack in the Bremen. He dived and then got straight up again. Wither this is a new twchnique or he started doing it then thought betyter of it.

[theo kawala]

yes he did dive then he got back up so aint that bad he kept playing but did try to cheat

[Jedi Knight]

Etherington last night did an outrageous dive to try and earn West Ham a penalty. Just goes to prove my point that British players will cheat also to gain an advantage and no longer can slate foreigners for doing the same.
As Joe had said earlier, some players will do anything to gain an advantage for their team and i could understand Etherington's frustration as West Ham had thrown everything but the kitchen sink at Palermo and had got nowhere but i can't condone it. A the end of the day he tried to cheat and rightly was booked for it

[goldenHuddlestone]

WH needed a win though to lose against Palmero was more shame than a dive so he propabbly weighed it up in his head

[Jedi Knight]

what a load of b***ocks. R u being serious? so we won't hear you complaining when a team gain a point against Spurs after one of the opposition players earns a penalty after he dives for it?
Also, did you watch the game last night. Where was the shame? Palermo looked more than capable of taking on any Premiership side, even the mighty Spurs. They were technically superior to West Ham, who at the end of the day, lacked the craft neede to break them down.

[goldenHuddlestone]

I was only joking

[Jedi Knight]

i know. not your fault we are all so damn nice. Just had to vent after that dodgy penalty the other night. Anyway, ill try not to get too hung up over it as it happens all the time i suppose. Pity, it took the sheen of what was a good game

[theo kawala]

this is very serious stuff and should be taking into action by someone that can (f.a) i did see the foul and yes they were desperate to win thats why he did it but he still didnt get a yellow card the ref should of defenitely seen it and if i was him yellow card straight away hasnt the f.a told them to give yellow cards out to divers if so then they must be blind

[squid]

I dont think it should be one party that can stop this.

F.a's need to punish more players and teams that gain from these incidents. They should also utilise technology when possibe for penalties and sendings off.

Ref's need to show more common sense. they dont need to stop the game when a guy goes down looking for a foul. they only need to stop the game if it looks serious i.e concern is shown from both sides.

Managers need to punish players that do it. If they dont want it to happen to thier team then they should make a stand and say it is not acceptable for thier own players.

[theo kawala]

it would be good if a player got injured while diving that would serve them right lol

[goldenHuddlestone]

However if you were to use technology for this instance it really really would slow the game down at the moment

[theo kawala]

yer and it would get boring if ronaldo was on the pitch the game would have to stop all the time

[squid]

Originally Posted by goldenHuddlestone

However if you were to use technology for this instance it really really would slow the game down at the moment

Video evidense should be used for penelties and red cards. when have you seen a red card and a penelty that havent slowed a game anyway? at least this way if a guy didnt deserve to get sent off or if a teasm didnt deserve a penelty then it wouldnt have a pivital effect on the game.

[theo kawala]

good explanation squid god im to dumb to remmeber that