Why do people hate english fans......

HAMMERTIME · 05-23-2007, 05:26 PM

and try to make a name 4 themselfs.. the 80,s r over..

aisuru · 05-23-2007, 10:56 PM

i think in general, to be honest, you've got a lot of w****rs as a travelling support. i'm not saying all English people are w****rs, before you accuse me of that, but some of them are, and those are the ones that get you all a bad name.

they're the kind of people who go abroad, go to a bar and SHOUT LOUDLY IN ENGLISH instead of learning simple phrases in the appropriate language. they're the kind of people who firmly believe that their side is the best in the world, and that they, the fans, are the best in the world, and all the other fans should **** off, because Enger-lund are going to win - and of course the team drop out of the competition, and the fans are not happy campers. they're the kind of people who have no respect for their hosts, and drunkenly shout, swear, throw bottles and generally annoy the locals. they're the kind of people who are interviewed by the BBC after an altercation between the England fans and whichever group of foreign fans they've been chanting at, then say things like "they dunt understand that we're proud to be English." and "they dunt no wot its like ter be proud of yer country, innit?" as if they are the only nation on earth with a patriotic support. meanwhile, during this interview, half a dozen other w****rs jump around at the back, swearing and waving England flags, immensely pleased with themselves that they managed to look like a moronic, pissed-up tw*t for two-and-a-half seconds on BBC1.

many of them have absolutely no class, to put it bluntly. they're extremely poor ambassadors for the country, and nothing is done to combat them.

the Tartan Army tends to police itself, and anyone behaving badly will often be told to desist by their compatriots. this is because the Tartan Army learned that you have a much better time abroad if you're welcome, and getting into fights and acting like w****rs isn't a good way to ensure that.

that's the England fans abroad, of course. at home your media continue to annoy us up here - and no doubt a large proportion of the Welsh - with the constant 1966 references. we all know you won it once, we get it.

HAMMERTIME · 05-24-2007, 07:19 AM

i understand your point and agree with u on some situations but i was in palermo earlyer in the year and me and about 300 west ham fans wher drinking in a square when the police just left us alone.. they got into ther cars and left 4 about 10 min,, in the mean time ther was some palermo ultras trowing bottels at us from the roof tops and charging us from everywhere so we done the only thing we could,, defend ourselfs.. as soon as we started the police turned up and it was like reinforcments 4 them... i lucky enough did not get injured or arrested and went on to the stadium wher we lost... the next day all i saw was west ham descrace all over the papers now thats not fare... i cant talk about other teams and what happened but i know what happened on that night in palermo and it was becouse we was english not coz we supported west ham....i know what we done in the 70,s and 80,s and i think its discusting,, but alot of countrys r trying to copy what the english done back then... yet we got banned 4 6 years and they get nothing... its not fare... i sure will not be going to places like italy or turkey again...

aisuru · 05-24-2007, 11:39 AM

i do sympathise with what you're saying, and obviously much of the time it's the England fans who are attacked first. however, surely you all had the option to just leave the area, and not retaliate. yes, you were attacked because you were English, but that's because the foreign hooligans know the English can almost always be drawn into a battle.

HAMMERTIME · 05-24-2007, 03:32 PM

you r write the english r either to stupid or to much pride that they can,t walk away.. i just don,t understand y it keeps on happening..

Stevens · 05-24-2007, 04:04 PM

A minority of them cause trouble.

tiswas · 05-25-2007, 10:05 AM

If we're talking about English fans following the national team then yes they are pillocks...,I put alot of the blame on the media as they're there WANTING something to happen so they can report the 'ugly side of english soccer' club sides to me is different in my opinion. Those idiots from Liverpool think the soccer world owe them for their exsistance & because they are from the "mecca" of soccer they have the devine right to be let in with or without tickets. Some respects Man U as well. When Chelsea or Arsenal played abroad did we get the same problems? Which other English clubs played in Europe last season? Did we get the same aggro?
Having personally had the pleasure of mixing with the Celtic & Rangers fans on several occasions over the last few years these guys are just having the crack as they say. No trouble anywhere.

goldenHuddlestone · 05-25-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Stevens

A minority of them cause trouble.

It always is the minoity though

HAMMERTIME · 05-25-2007, 03:44 PM

so what about man u in rome.. u all saw it on the tv on the man u side u had riot police beating people to a pulp and on the roma side[ wher the first of the trouble started] u had stewards.. its not fare and the next day the yids had the same trouble, and that started with a desiabled fan.. but we still get the bad pub.. but i have got no argument about liverpool, that was out of order what they done and to ther own fans,, plus i did not here them sing 4 the last 45 min until they went up to collect ther runners up medals whaen they started singing u,ll never get a job,, sorry i mean walk alone....

R_9-Ronaldo · 05-30-2007, 08:51 AM

Lets look at the positives.... England created football so they reserve the right to say and chant whatever they feel like, The English were the ones to come up with the idea of having a referee and officials(assistant referees) to make the game more controlable so lets not put down the English who have done so much for "The World Game" and lets focus on all fans as a whole

aisuru · 05-30-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by R_9-Ronaldo

Lets look at the positives.... England created football so they reserve the right to say and chant whatever they feel like, The English were the ones to come up with the idea of having a referee and officials(assistant referees) to make the game more controlable so lets not put down the English who have done so much for "The World Game" and lets focus on all fans as a whole

that's ludicrous. you know how stupid that sounds, right? the English FA laid down the rules of the game in 1863. that doesn't give some hooligans 140 years later to go abroad and cause trouble. the fans have done very little for 'the world game', and they don't need to have extra rights.

HAMMERTIME · 05-30-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aisuru

that's ludicrous. you know how stupid that sounds, right? the English FA laid down the rules of the game in 1863. that doesn't give some hooligans 140 years later to go abroad and cause trouble. the fans have done very little for 'the world game', and they don't need to have extra rights.

ok i see your point if we was still in the 80s but we r not... how much trouble do u get in the prem.. hardly any... and how many teams have to play behind closed doors in places like italy...and holigans run clubs abroad.. fact... so y r we still to blame...u only have to look at turkey argentina, spain, poland i can go on all day..

aisuru · 05-30-2007, 10:51 PM

i'm not denying that other countries have hooligans, and i'm not saying that all English are hooligans. i'm just pointing out that it would be stupid to even consider allowing English fans to get away with bad behaviour abroad, purely on the grounds that Football was invented in England.

HAMMERTIME · 05-31-2007, 06:21 AM

i totally agree with u about the fans that start the trouble.. and in many cases the english do start,,, maybe not by fighting but just the fact that they r very offensive to other countrys way of life with all the singing,,, but the fact is that if other countrys beat england they think they have won the world cup of holiganisem and thats the prob....

steven.jerjian · 05-31-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aisuru

i'm not denying that other countries have hooligans, and i'm not saying that all English are hooligans. i'm just pointing out that it would be stupid to even consider allowing English fans to get away with bad behaviour abroad, purely on the grounds that Football was invented in England.

Tru. England fans are p***ed cause they are getting beaten at their own game. (cricket as well)

HAMMERTIME · 05-31-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by steven.jerjian

Tru. England fans are p***ed cause they are getting beaten at their own game. (cricket as well)

what has that got to do with anything.... the fights happen b4 the games... or during....never after. stop watching football factory....

Matt the Thrasher · 06-01-2007, 10:17 AM

I don't think people do hate English fans , I think English fans are paranoid , what happened to you in Palermo was disgraceful , but Palermo's "Ultras" would have done the same to anybody it had nothing to do with you being English .

HAMMERTIME · 06-01-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt the Thrasher

I don't think people do hate English fans , I think English fans are paranoid , what happened to you in Palermo was disgraceful , but Palermo's "Ultras" would have done the same to anybody it had nothing to do with you being English .

yes u right ther cos 2 weeks later they kicked of with catania and had to play 10 games behind closed doors.... so y do u think fifa do nothing to these countrys

Matt the Thrasher · 06-01-2007, 01:57 PM

Feyenord were kicked out of the UEFA CUP this season because their fans caused trouble in France, Catania & Palermo were punished by the Italian FA for that violence , they didn't face uefa sanction because it wasn't a uefa competition.

Authorities generally only take action if trouble occours inside football grounds so trouble in the streets beforehand tends to go unpunished but it is untrue that only English clubs are ever penalised.

HAMMERTIME · 06-02-2007, 06:20 AM

i did not know about feyenourd...

jamesp_1927 · 06-09-2007, 11:11 AM

I think its for the same reasons why so many people hate Cardiff fans. The trouble they generate whilst travelling.

woodson224blue · 07-03-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by steven.jerjian

Tru. England fans are p***ed cause they are getting beaten at their own game. (cricket as well)

that's what I was thinking, it makes the most sense

toonmagic9 · 07-03-2007, 08:33 PM

maybe when we actually get decent presidents at both fifa and uefa who don't still live in the past then we may actually get some proper reforms about it because i would say watching that football factories international english fans are the least of foreign FA's problems and uefa's and fifas and looking at the aforementioned programme until they sort out their own houses it's unfair to just label english fans as hooligans, also i watched the supposed panorama programme after the world cup and all i saw on that is what most citites and towns see after the pubs shut on a sat night, and if i could get tickets to away matches in europe i would turn them down as i like my body in one piece

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tiswas Tricky Tree Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: LOS, Thailand Posts: 227 vCash: 500	If we're talking about English fans following the national team then yes they are pillocks...,I put alot of the blame on the media as they're there WANTING something to happen so they can report the 'ugly side of english soccer' club sides to me is different in my opinion. Those idiots from Liverpool think the soccer world owe them for their exsistance & because they are from the "mecca" of soccer they have the devine right to be let in with or without tickets. Some respects Man U as well. When Chelsea or Arsenal played abroad did we get the same problems? Which other English clubs played in Europe last season? Did we get the same aggro? Having personally had the pleasure of mixing with the Celtic & Rangers fans on several occasions over the last few years these guys are just having the crack as they say. No trouble anywhere. If all else fails there's always Chang

05-25-2007, 03:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
HAMMERTIME Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 128 vCash: 500	so what about man u in rome.. u all saw it on the tv on the man u side u had riot police beating people to a pulp and on the roma side[ wher the first of the trouble started] u had stewards.. its not fare and the next day the yids had the same trouble, and that started with a desiabled fan.. but we still get the bad pub.. but i have got no argument about liverpool, that was out of order what they done and to ther own fans,, plus i did not here them sing 4 the last 45 min until they went up to collect ther runners up medals whaen they started singing u,ll never get a job,, sorry i mean walk alone.... Last edited by HAMMERTIME : 05-25-2007 at 03:49 PM.

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05-23-2007, 10:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
aisuru Admin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the Village Posts: 4,093 vCash: 726	i think in general, to be honest, you've got a lot of w**rs as a travelling support. i'm not saying all English people are wrs, before you accuse me of that, but some of them are, and those are the ones that get you all a bad name. they're the kind of people who go abroad, go to a bar and SHOUT LOUDLY IN ENGLISH instead of learning simple phrases in the appropriate language. they're the kind of people who firmly believe that their side is the best in the world, and that they, the fans, are the best in the world, and all the other fans should off, because Enger-lund are going to win - and of course the team drop out of the competition, and the fans are not happy campers. they're the kind of people who have no respect for their hosts, and drunkenly shout, swear, throw bottles and generally annoy the locals. they're the kind of people who are interviewed by the BBC after an altercation between the England fans and whichever group of foreign fans they've been chanting at, then say things like "they dunt understand that we're proud to be English." and "they dunt no wot its like ter be proud of yer country, innit?" as if they are the only nation on earth with a patriotic support. meanwhile, during this interview, half a dozen other w*rs jump around at the back, swearing and waving England flags, immensely pleased with themselves that they managed to look like a moronic, pissed-up twt for two-and-a-half seconds on BBC1. many of them have absolutely no class, to put it bluntly. they're extremely poor ambassadors for the country, and nothing is done to combat them. the Tartan Army tends to police itself, and anyone behaving badly will often be told to desist by their compatriots. this is because the Tartan Army learned that you have a much better time abroad if you're welcome, and getting into fights and acting like w****rs isn't a good way to ensure that. that's the England fans abroad, of course. at home your media continue to annoy us up here - and no doubt a large proportion of the Welsh - with the constant 1966 references. we all know you won it once, we get it.

05-24-2007, 07:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
HAMMERTIME Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 128 vCash: 500	i understand your point and agree with u on some situations but i was in palermo earlyer in the year and me and about 300 west ham fans wher drinking in a square when the police just left us alone.. they got into ther cars and left 4 about 10 min,, in the mean time ther was some palermo ultras trowing bottels at us from the roof tops and charging us from everywhere so we done the only thing we could,, defend ourselfs.. as soon as we started the police turned up and it was like reinforcments 4 them... i lucky enough did not get injured or arrested and went on to the stadium wher we lost... the next day all i saw was west ham descrace all over the papers now thats not fare... i cant talk about other teams and what happened but i know what happened on that night in palermo and it was becouse we was english not coz we supported west ham....i know what we done in the 70,s and 80,s and i think its discusting,, but alot of countrys r trying to copy what the english done back then... yet we got banned 4 6 years and they get nothing... its not fare... i sure will not be going to places like italy or turkey again...

05-24-2007, 11:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
aisuru Admin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the Village Posts: 4,093 vCash: 726	i do sympathise with what you're saying, and obviously much of the time it's the England fans who are attacked first. however, surely you all had the option to just leave the area, and not retaliate. yes, you were attacked because you were English, but that's because the foreign hooligans know the English can almost always be drawn into a battle.

05-24-2007, 03:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
HAMMERTIME Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 128 vCash: 500	you r write the english r either to stupid or to much pride that they can,t walk away.. i just don,t understand y it keeps on happening..

05-30-2007, 08:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
R_9-Ronaldo Veteran Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 429 vCash: 500	Lets look at the positives.... England created football so they reserve the right to say and chant whatever they feel like, The English were the ones to come up with the idea of having a referee and officials(assistant referees) to make the game more controlable so lets not put down the English who have done so much for "The World Game" and lets focus on all fans as a whole

05-30-2007, 10:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
aisuru Admin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the Village Posts: 4,093 vCash: 726	i'm not denying that other countries have hooligans, and i'm not saying that all English are hooligans. i'm just pointing out that it would be stupid to even consider allowing English fans to get away with bad behaviour abroad, purely on the grounds that Football was invented in England.

05-31-2007, 06:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
HAMMERTIME Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 128 vCash: 500	i totally agree with u about the fans that start the trouble.. and in many cases the english do start,,, maybe not by fighting but just the fact that they r very offensive to other countrys way of life with all the singing,,, but the fact is that if other countrys beat england they think they have won the world cup of holiganisem and thats the prob....

06-01-2007, 10:17 AM	#17 (permalink)
Matt the Thrasher Admin Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Figueira da Foz ,Portugal Posts: 3,244 vCash: 379	I don't think people do hate English fans , I think English fans are paranoid , what happened to you in Palermo was disgraceful , but Palermo's "Ultras" would have done the same to anybody it had nothing to do with you being English . The boys of NYPD choir still singing Galway Bay.

06-01-2007, 01:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
Matt the Thrasher Admin Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Figueira da Foz ,Portugal Posts: 3,244 vCash: 379	Feyenord were kicked out of the UEFA CUP this season because their fans caused trouble in France, Catania & Palermo were punished by the Italian FA for that violence , they didn't face uefa sanction because it wasn't a uefa competition. Authorities generally only take action if trouble occours inside football grounds so trouble in the streets beforehand tends to go unpunished but it is untrue that only English clubs are ever penalised. The boys of NYPD choir still singing Galway Bay.

06-02-2007, 06:20 AM	#20 (permalink)
HAMMERTIME Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 128 vCash: 500	i did not know about feyenourd...

06-09-2007, 11:11 AM	#21 (permalink)
jamesp_1927 New Signing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cardiff Posts: 25 vCash: 500	I think its for the same reasons why so many people hate Cardiff fans. The trouble they generate whilst travelling.

07-03-2007, 08:33 PM	#23 (permalink)
toonmagic9 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,744 vCash: 465	maybe when we actually get decent presidents at both fifa and uefa who don't still live in the past then we may actually get some proper reforms about it because i would say watching that football factories international english fans are the least of foreign FA's problems and uefa's and fifas and looking at the aforementioned programme until they sort out their own houses it's unfair to just label english fans as hooligans, also i watched the supposed panorama programme after the world cup and all i saw on that is what most citites and towns see after the pubs shut on a sat night, and if i could get tickets to away matches in europe i would turn them down as i like my body in one piece