Spl 2

Jedi Knight · 08-18-2006, 04:22 PM

SPL 2 . what a load of crap. i fail to see how re-branding an already poor product will improve it any. Our game needs a complete overhall from top to bottom. Who are these people who say this is the way foward. I don't recall any fans being asked what they think? New window dressing, same old product.

goldenHuddlestone · 08-18-2006, 04:42 PM

I must say however it has worked for the Championship after their rebranding from Division One I would say that Championship has become so much more publicised and commercial.

Jedi Knight · 08-18-2006, 05:03 PM

but that was a strong league to begin with. i agree re-branding has worked they way it should, taking an already good product to the masses. The SPL 2 has it's worked cut out because the product is crap. we need a radical overhaul of the game up here. Too many teams not enough bums for seats.

goldenHuddlestone · 08-18-2006, 05:04 PM

But they can only try. Suely in the same way as Div 1 was a good product and became a big product the 'SPL 2' can go from a crap product to a good product. It's all evolution

Jedi Knight · 08-18-2006, 05:20 PM

you would think wouldn't you. But it needs more than SPL 2 to cure our ills.it's just not drastic enough. we just don't have the population plus it would be competitng against the Premiership lal liga etc.... for viewers.
we have 42 senior teams in 3 leagues. that's rediculous. 3 bodies run our game. we have dozens of committees who meet to decide on other commitees and the fan is never asked their opinion on anything.

squid · 08-18-2006, 06:06 PM

there are to many leagues in scotland. We have the spl with 12 teams, and then the 1st, 2nd and 3rd division with 10 teams each. For a population of 5 million this is to much. two main proffessional leagues with about 16 teams in each league would suit. This wont happen because the SPL is made up of clubs that exist within that league and they want to be able to play the old firm (and now hearts) as many times as possible per year. The SPL idea should be sacked and an independant body should take over the running of football within scotland. I dont even think we should hand power back to the SFL because they have hardly shown themselves to be competant in anything they have done.

goldenHuddlestone · 08-18-2006, 06:14 PM

This is like a lesson in Scottish football

Jedi Knight · 08-18-2006, 06:16 PM

there should be 1 ruling body that governs all aspects of Scottish football (like the Dutch, and they're not too bad). 2 senior leagues and we should look to expand and improve our already great junior set up. This could be our equivalent of England's Conference league.
Some of our junior teams get far better attendences than smost of our 3rd division sides. The whole game needs streamlined

goldenHuddlestone · 08-18-2006, 06:23 PM

It definitley seems to be a bit of a feudalistic system

Jedi Knight · 08-18-2006, 06:37 PM

spot on. faceless, suited, bureaucrats run our game. Jobs for the boys. What qualifies these idiots to run our game? honestly it's like 'the life of brian' up here. Committees for committees sake. us fans have to remove them as they won't do it themselves. Why give up all the perks like globetrotting for free etc... it'd be like turkeys voting for Xmas

goldenHuddlestone · 08-18-2006, 11:23 PM

But whos making them give it up

Denzel · 08-18-2006, 11:46 PM

thats the point no one. i can only think that the scottish parliment should be in charge of who organises the football league in scotland, but nothing has been said about it. Even though the current system is to the detriment of the game in scotland and must be costiing loads to run. I mena how much money is being spent keeping two football associations running in scotland? it ridiculous!!

goldenHuddlestone · 08-18-2006, 11:48 PM

Dotty. Are you saying Parliment should be in charge of football in your country?

squid · 08-19-2006, 02:32 AM

I'm saying that a body, that is independent from the interests of the majority of the teams in the SPL has to in charge. there is a major conflict of interests going on here. There has to be objectivity to make sure that the interests of all of the clubs within scotland are catered for.

goldenHuddlestone · 08-19-2006, 10:52 AM

Yeah understand what youu said squid i was talking about Denzel

aisuru · 08-19-2006, 12:48 PM

totally agree, something drastic needs to be done.

thing is though, the SFA are useless, the SPL are useless and the SFL are useless. taking three useless bodies and creating a single, competent one is going to be a challenge. none of them will want to give up their roles, so the compromise will just result in a huge SFA with all the beurocrats from the SPL and SFL in there too. the Scottish pairlament won't be able to sort them out either, since they're useless as well!

we need to start again from scratch really. sadly, the Scottish Pairlament is the only body capable of installing any kind of new regime in Scottish football. they need to set down framework which will allow a new governing body to be formed, incorporating running of the Premier Leage, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd divisions and the Juniors, as well as the national team, youth development and a few other issues. problem is, it'd take about 10 years to set up and get it running, since all the current suits would be against it, and the pairlament would solve the problem of forming three-into-one by creating half a dozen QUANGOs and committees to set the framework. then all the jobs would go to the SFA, SPL and SFL boys, since they're the ones with the experience.

what's needed is a national campaign, ideally led by some respected Scottish Football figures, with popular backing. which isn't us, sadly.

what we can do though, is write to our MSPs. probably achieve nothing, but it might get some questions asked in Pairlament, you never know. http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/msp/index.htm

squid · 08-19-2006, 02:43 PM

I think if a new regime was put in place the people that run the game should be in some way conected to the game. The likes of Andy Roxburugh comes to mind. A respected official in FIFA. It is this type of person that should in change of building a format for the rest of Scottish.

squid · 08-19-2006, 02:45 PM

Actually the point made by Denzel earlier on was by myself. Had been doing some recruiting for the site and forgot to log onto my CP. A bit pissed ye know!!

goldenHuddlestone · 08-19-2006, 09:39 PM

Sorry to sound ignorant but who's Andy Roxburugh

squid · 08-19-2006, 10:10 PM

He was the Scotland manager from around 1987 to 1992. He has a good post at FIFA and despite. I dont really think it has to be andy roxburough in a job like this. as long as its someone with expericance playing or managing within the game.

goldenHuddlestone · 08-19-2006, 11:33 PM

What about McCoist or Hansen lol

squid · 08-20-2006, 01:37 AM

Hanson, he would be better being a spoksmon or rentboy for the english fa. in all seriousness in scotland we need someone that will put the state of the scottish game above financial gain for the spl clubs. However this is probobly the same problem that every leaugue has. But the way football has been run in this country has f***ed up the state of the national team or at least hasnt helped it any.

goldenHuddlestone · 08-20-2006, 08:19 PM

I'd agree I seriously think England may end up that way

Hope not though

Joe · 08-22-2006, 08:42 AM

Big changes are afoot in Scotland. Wow, SPL2, wonder how long it took to think that up but more importantly how many meetings, how many comittee members had to file their expenses?

It is a total joke. We will never move on until the SPL is expanded to have at least 16 teams in it, then you could call the division 1 'SPL 2' and erase the other 2 leagues.

Why don't we welcome junior football into the bottom league too, the same way that it non league teams can be promoted in England. This will soon get rid of the total crap teams that are just hanging around in the lower leagues and bring a bit of spice to these divisions?

The average attendance of divison 3 clubs was 446 last season. More people visit this site ffs.

Jedi Knight · 08-22-2006, 08:24 PM

add Aisuru's last post to Joe's post and u have a rough framework for improving Scottish football.u guys just about summed it up.
There has to be a groundswell of opinion and an organised fans voice to begin having the fans heard.
no matter what the likes of politician types like Lex Gold and that Taylor tit say, the game up here is poor, stale and in drastic need of change before it dies on its arse.

08-18-2006, 04:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	Spl 2 SPL 2 . what a load of crap. i fail to see how re-branding an already poor product will improve it any. Our game needs a complete overhall from top to bottom. Who are these people who say this is the way foward. I don't recall any fans being asked what they think? New window dressing, same old product. The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

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08-18-2006, 05:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	but that was a strong league to begin with. i agree re-branding has worked they way it should, taking an already good product to the masses. The SPL 2 has it's worked cut out because the product is crap. we need a radical overhaul of the game up here. Too many teams not enough bums for seats. The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

08-18-2006, 05:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	you would think wouldn't you. But it needs more than SPL 2 to cure our ills.it's just not drastic enough. we just don't have the population plus it would be competitng against the Premiership lal liga etc.... for viewers. we have 42 senior teams in 3 leagues. that's rediculous. 3 bodies run our game. we have dozens of committees who meet to decide on other commitees and the fan is never asked their opinion on anything. The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

08-18-2006, 06:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	there should be 1 ruling body that governs all aspects of Scottish football (like the Dutch, and they're not too bad). 2 senior leagues and we should look to expand and improve our already great junior set up. This could be our equivalent of England's Conference league. Some of our junior teams get far better attendences than smost of our 3rd division sides. The whole game needs streamlined The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

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08-18-2006, 04:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	I must say however it has worked for the Championship after their rebranding from Division One I would say that Championship has become so much more publicised and commercial.

08-18-2006, 05:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	But they can only try. Suely in the same way as Div 1 was a good product and became a big product the 'SPL 2' can go from a crap product to a good product. It's all evolution

08-18-2006, 06:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
squid Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 768 vCash: 500	there are to many leagues in scotland. We have the spl with 12 teams, and then the 1st, 2nd and 3rd division with 10 teams each. For a population of 5 million this is to much. two main proffessional leagues with about 16 teams in each league would suit. This wont happen because the SPL is made up of clubs that exist within that league and they want to be able to play the old firm (and now hearts) as many times as possible per year. The SPL idea should be sacked and an independant body should take over the running of football within scotland. I dont even think we should hand power back to the SFL because they have hardly shown themselves to be competant in anything they have done.

08-18-2006, 06:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	This is like a lesson in Scottish football

08-18-2006, 06:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	It definitley seems to be a bit of a feudalistic system

08-18-2006, 06:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	spot on. faceless, suited, bureaucrats run our game. Jobs for the boys. What qualifies these idiots to run our game? honestly it's like 'the life of brian' up here. Committees for committees sake. us fans have to remove them as they won't do it themselves. Why give up all the perks like globetrotting for free etc... it'd be like turkeys voting for Xmas The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!

08-18-2006, 11:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	But whos making them give it up

08-18-2006, 11:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
Denzel New Signing Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2 vCash: 500	thats the point no one. i can only think that the scottish parliment should be in charge of who organises the football league in scotland, but nothing has been said about it. Even though the current system is to the detriment of the game in scotland and must be costiing loads to run. I mena how much money is being spent keeping two football associations running in scotland? it ridiculous!!

08-18-2006, 11:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	Dotty. Are you saying Parliment should be in charge of football in your country?

08-19-2006, 02:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
squid Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 768 vCash: 500	I'm saying that a body, that is independent from the interests of the majority of the teams in the SPL has to in charge. there is a major conflict of interests going on here. There has to be objectivity to make sure that the interests of all of the clubs within scotland are catered for.

08-19-2006, 10:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	Yeah understand what youu said squid i was talking about Denzel

08-19-2006, 12:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
aisuru Admin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the Village Posts: 3,846 vCash: 726	totally agree, something drastic needs to be done. thing is though, the SFA are useless, the SPL are useless and the SFL are useless. taking three useless bodies and creating a single, competent one is going to be a challenge. none of them will want to give up their roles, so the compromise will just result in a huge SFA with all the beurocrats from the SPL and SFL in there too. the Scottish pairlament won't be able to sort them out either, since they're useless as well! we need to start again from scratch really. sadly, the Scottish Pairlament is the only body capable of installing any kind of new regime in Scottish football. they need to set down framework which will allow a new governing body to be formed, incorporating running of the Premier Leage, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd divisions and the Juniors, as well as the national team, youth development and a few other issues. problem is, it'd take about 10 years to set up and get it running, since all the current suits would be against it, and the pairlament would solve the problem of forming three-into-one by creating half a dozen QUANGOs and committees to set the framework. then all the jobs would go to the SFA, SPL and SFL boys, since they're the ones with the experience. what's needed is a national campaign, ideally led by some respected Scottish Football figures, with popular backing. which isn't us, sadly. what we can do though, is write to our MSPs. probably achieve nothing, but it might get some questions asked in Pairlament, you never know. http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/msp/index.htm

08-19-2006, 02:43 PM	#17 (permalink)
squid Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 768 vCash: 500	I think if a new regime was put in place the people that run the game should be in some way conected to the game. The likes of Andy Roxburugh comes to mind. A respected official in FIFA. It is this type of person that should in change of building a format for the rest of Scottish.

08-19-2006, 02:45 PM	#18 (permalink)
squid Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 768 vCash: 500	Actually the point made by Denzel earlier on was by myself. Had been doing some recruiting for the site and forgot to log onto my CP. A bit pissed ye know!!

08-19-2006, 09:39 PM	#19 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	Sorry to sound ignorant but who's Andy Roxburugh

08-19-2006, 10:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
squid Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 768 vCash: 500	He was the Scotland manager from around 1987 to 1992. He has a good post at FIFA and despite. I dont really think it has to be andy roxburough in a job like this. as long as its someone with expericance playing or managing within the game.

08-19-2006, 11:33 PM	#21 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	What about McCoist or Hansen lol

08-20-2006, 01:37 AM	#22 (permalink)
squid Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 768 vCash: 500	Hanson, he would be better being a spoksmon or rentboy for the english fa. in all seriousness in scotland we need someone that will put the state of the scottish game above financial gain for the spl clubs. However this is probobly the same problem that every leaugue has. But the way football has been run in this country has f***ed up the state of the national team or at least hasnt helped it any.

08-20-2006, 08:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,656 vCash: 480	I'd agree I seriously think England may end up that way Hope not though

08-22-2006, 08:42 AM	#24 (permalink)
Joe Football Talk Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 13,698 vCash: 500	Big changes are afoot in Scotland. Wow, SPL2, wonder how long it took to think that up but more importantly how many meetings, how many comittee members had to file their expenses? It is a total joke. We will never move on until the SPL is expanded to have at least 16 teams in it, then you could call the division 1 'SPL 2' and erase the other 2 leagues. Why don't we welcome junior football into the bottom league too, the same way that it non league teams can be promoted in England. This will soon get rid of the total crap teams that are just hanging around in the lower leagues and bring a bit of spice to these divisions? The average attendance of divison 3 clubs was 446 last season. More people visit this site ffs. Thanks for visiting FootballTalk.org. You could register now and have your say.

08-22-2006, 08:24 PM	#25 (permalink)
Jedi Knight Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: ma hoose Posts: 1,437 vCash: 500	add Aisuru's last post to Joe's post and u have a rough framework for improving Scottish football.u guys just about summed it up. There has to be a groundswell of opinion and an organised fans voice to begin having the fans heard. no matter what the likes of politician types like Lex Gold and that Taylor tit say, the game up here is poor, stale and in drastic need of change before it dies on its arse. The FORCE will always triumph over the dark side!!!