did Newcastle make a poor choice?

aisuru · 02-10-2008, 02:12 PM

i think so. so far, Keegan has proved to be a less competent manager than his predecessor - Newcastle are two places further down the table than when he took over! they haven't won a game since mid-December, and, let's face it, they're not likely to win their next game against the all-conquering ManUre.

toonmagic9 · 02-10-2008, 10:14 PM

it seems we are finding new depths to sink to why some fans were chanting keegans name instead of booing the players on the pitch, plus perhaps someone can explain to me why alan smith is picked ahead of viduka as i am at a loss to explain it. and keegan is right in what he said after the match he is out of excuses and we want results not excuses

tiswas · 02-13-2008, 10:21 AM

I'm not upto speed on everything Newcastle but, I sure I read somewhere that Alan Smith hasn't scored a premiership goal since 2005 ??????? I understand he's been injured but not that much. Looking back at his scoring record, for a striker, is very poor. How he keeps Viduka on the bench is a mystery to me. Obviously the Newcastle contingent can shed some light on this ?

joe coops · 02-15-2008, 08:11 PM

I think Keegans appointment was more of a fans choice.I didn't rate the appointment the day it came.Magpie fans were auto-matically assuming that the glory days are back but its far from that!

aisuru · 02-16-2008, 01:42 PM

i think there were more factors at work the last time than just having Keegan in the top job,and so far they've been unable to recreate the situation. right now i'm not sure the squad has the confidence to achieve what's wanted of them, and i'm not sure Keegan has the ability to bring about the change required for them.

toonmagic9 · 02-16-2008, 03:38 PM

Keegan Seems To Be Doing His Best To Make Allardyche A Legend As I Didn't See Any Point In His Dismissal And Perhaps Keegan Is Protesting On His Behalf

, Which Might Explain Alan Smiths Inclusion In The First Eleven And The Lack Of Tactical Awareness DISPLAED BY THE REST OF THE FIRST ELEVEN

joe coops · 02-17-2008, 06:33 PM

But we do have to give Keegan time if hes going to succeed.Yeah hes had a poor start but he needs to put that behind him and progress into challenging into the top four.

toonmagic9 · 02-19-2008, 07:01 PM

oh i agree and the fans will let him have it, but challenging the top four is pushing it for at least the next five years i'd prefer a sustained challenge in europe and poss a domestic trophy or two as well in that time frame but the top four are the top four because they win things which generates the revenue needed to buy the players as you only get top players if you win trophies and sadly that has been severly lacking at newcastle now for far to long, also better scouting of players would help as some of the dross we have brought over the years that have masquraded as quality players is ridiculas, once we have that sorted then the top four is a realistic target and i feel the board do understand that as before keegan was appointed the chairman chris mort said not to expect a top quality manager as newcastle arn't a top team at the minute, this was encouraging but all the sensless optimism over keegans return needs to die quickly and reality needs to sink in.

USHornet · 02-22-2008, 06:38 AM

i will be honest and say that they were way to quick to get rid of Big Sam. But why Alan Smith plays as much as he does is beyond me.

toonmagic9 · 02-26-2008, 10:53 AM

i think it's beyond the rest of the world, and i can see us getting relegated because the basic errors made by individuals was ridiculas and the whole performance was dissappointing smith out viduka in and we have a chance of being a prem side next season

USHornet · 02-26-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by toonmagic9

i think it's beyond the rest of the world, and i can see us getting relegated because the basic errors made by individuals was ridiculas and the whole performance was dissappointing smith out viduka in and we have a chance of being a prem side next season

As an objective observer to Newcastle...I don't think you have much to worry about as far as being relegated. I know you don't want to be in the position you are...but I wouldn't worry about relegation................yet

Viduka is an excellent forward and why they signed him and rarely use him is somewhat of a mystery.

toonmagic9 · 02-27-2008, 01:21 AM

maybe someone could explain this to keegan then as i suspect martins will have a strong finish to secure a move eleswhere and viduka is our most consistent gaol scorer yet neither can get in the first team squad.

USHornet · 02-27-2008, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by toonmagic9

maybe someone could explain this to keegan then as i suspect martins will have a strong finish to secure a move eleswhere and viduka is our most consistent gaol scorer yet neither can get in the first team squad.

Do you want Keegan out already?

toonmagic9 · 02-27-2008, 02:47 PM

i didn't see any reason to get rid of big sam as i thought he was very harshly treated by the fans and the board, since the return of keegan i reckon we've conceeded more goals and scored less than when allardyche was in charge, keegan was brought in purely to appease the fans who had started to turn on the board, it was a poor choice but one we now have to live with as another manager this season would be a disaster, but judging by the owner and chairmans faces after the debacle against man u then who knows

dutch · 02-27-2008, 08:01 PM

U can judge a bit later
every manager needs some time

hubert · 02-27-2008, 08:29 PM

Chances are poor Kevin Keegan wont make it once again, whos daft idea was it to give him the job in the first place?

USHornet · 02-27-2008, 10:15 PM

Yah i don't think it was the best hire in the first place either.

joe coops · 02-28-2008, 10:00 PM

Remember Keegan didnt sign Viduka and he is just trying something different then Sam,You'll be annoyed if he picked the same squad as Sam

toonmagic9 · 03-01-2008, 07:03 PM

not really as i don't expext newcastle to beat man u or arsenal allardyches teams very rarely got turned over in the manner that newcastle have in recent weeks and frankly it's embarrassing for the fans and the players, i think allardyche was starting to turn the corner it was just poor officials that did him in not his players and right now i'd have big sam at the the helm with keegan as his no 2.

hubert · 03-01-2008, 07:23 PM

Did Newcastle make a poor choice, I believe that could be considered an understatement?

dutch · 03-01-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hubert

Did Newcastle make a poor choice, I believe that could be considered an understatement?

aisuru · 03-02-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dutch

toonmagic9 · 03-02-2008, 10:35 PM

quick exit is what isn't needed but some kind of consistentcy, oh and a decent defence and a creative midfield player and a win.

joe coops · 03-03-2008, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toonmagic9

quick exit is what isn't needed but some kind of consistentcy, oh and a decent defence and a creative midfield player and a win.

What a great idea why hasn't Kevin Keegan thought of that

02-10-2008, 02:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
aisuru Admin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the Village Posts: 4,204 vCash: 726	did Newcastle make a poor choice? i think so. so far, Keegan has proved to be a less competent manager than his predecessor - Newcastle are two places further down the table than when he took over! they haven't won a game since mid-December, and, let's face it, they're not likely to win their next game against the all-conquering ManUre.

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02-13-2008, 10:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
tiswas Tricky Tree Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: LOS, Thailand Posts: 227 vCash: 500	I'm not upto speed on everything Newcastle but, I sure I read somewhere that Alan Smith hasn't scored a premiership goal since 2005 ??????? I understand he's been injured but not that much. Looking back at his scoring record, for a striker, is very poor. How he keeps Viduka on the bench is a mystery to me. Obviously the Newcastle contingent can shed some light on this ? If all else fails there's always Chang

02-15-2008, 08:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
joe coops the coopertron! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: wallasey Posts: 207 vCash: 500	I think Keegans appointment was more of a fans choice.I didn't rate the appointment the day it came.Magpie fans were auto-matically assuming that the glory days are back but its far from that! BIAST!!!!!!!!!!

02-17-2008, 06:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
joe coops the coopertron! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: wallasey Posts: 207 vCash: 500	But we do have to give Keegan time if hes going to succeed.Yeah hes had a poor start but he needs to put that behind him and progress into challenging into the top four. BIAST!!!!!!!!!!

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02-10-2008, 10:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
toonmagic9 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,771 vCash: 465	it seems we are finding new depths to sink to why some fans were chanting keegans name instead of booing the players on the pitch, plus perhaps someone can explain to me why alan smith is picked ahead of viduka as i am at a loss to explain it. and keegan is right in what he said after the match he is out of excuses and we want results not excuses

02-16-2008, 01:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
aisuru Admin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: the Village Posts: 4,204 vCash: 726	i think there were more factors at work the last time than just having Keegan in the top job,and so far they've been unable to recreate the situation. right now i'm not sure the squad has the confidence to achieve what's wanted of them, and i'm not sure Keegan has the ability to bring about the change required for them.

02-16-2008, 03:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
toonmagic9 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,771 vCash: 465	Keegan Seems To Be Doing His Best To Make Allardyche A Legend As I Didn't See Any Point In His Dismissal And Perhaps Keegan Is Protesting On His Behalf , Which Might Explain Alan Smiths Inclusion In The First Eleven And The Lack Of Tactical Awareness DISPLAED BY THE REST OF THE FIRST ELEVEN

02-19-2008, 07:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
toonmagic9 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,771 vCash: 465	oh i agree and the fans will let him have it, but challenging the top four is pushing it for at least the next five years i'd prefer a sustained challenge in europe and poss a domestic trophy or two as well in that time frame but the top four are the top four because they win things which generates the revenue needed to buy the players as you only get top players if you win trophies and sadly that has been severly lacking at newcastle now for far to long, also better scouting of players would help as some of the dross we have brought over the years that have masquraded as quality players is ridiculas, once we have that sorted then the top four is a realistic target and i feel the board do understand that as before keegan was appointed the chairman chris mort said not to expect a top quality manager as newcastle arn't a top team at the minute, this was encouraging but all the sensless optimism over keegans return needs to die quickly and reality needs to sink in.

02-22-2008, 06:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
USHornet New Signing Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Nebraska Posts: 25 vCash: 500	i will be honest and say that they were way to quick to get rid of Big Sam. But why Alan Smith plays as much as he does is beyond me.

02-26-2008, 10:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
toonmagic9 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,771 vCash: 465	i think it's beyond the rest of the world, and i can see us getting relegated because the basic errors made by individuals was ridiculas and the whole performance was dissappointing smith out viduka in and we have a chance of being a prem side next season

02-27-2008, 01:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
toonmagic9 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,771 vCash: 465	maybe someone could explain this to keegan then as i suspect martins will have a strong finish to secure a move eleswhere and viduka is our most consistent gaol scorer yet neither can get in the first team squad.

02-27-2008, 02:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
toonmagic9 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,771 vCash: 465	i didn't see any reason to get rid of big sam as i thought he was very harshly treated by the fans and the board, since the return of keegan i reckon we've conceeded more goals and scored less than when allardyche was in charge, keegan was brought in purely to appease the fans who had started to turn on the board, it was a poor choice but one we now have to live with as another manager this season would be a disaster, but judging by the owner and chairmans faces after the debacle against man u then who knows

02-27-2008, 08:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
dutch Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 203 vCash: 500	U can judge a bit later every manager needs some time Fly KLM Or Turkish AIR or thai airlines

02-27-2008, 08:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
hubert Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 210 vCash: 500	Chances are poor Kevin Keegan wont make it once again, whos daft idea was it to give him the job in the first place?

02-27-2008, 10:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
USHornet New Signing Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Nebraska Posts: 25 vCash: 500	Yah i don't think it was the best hire in the first place either.

02-28-2008, 10:00 PM	#18 (permalink)
joe coops the coopertron! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: wallasey Posts: 207 vCash: 500	Remember Keegan didnt sign Viduka and he is just trying something different then Sam,You'll be annoyed if he picked the same squad as Sam BIAST!!!!!!!!!!

03-01-2008, 07:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
toonmagic9 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,771 vCash: 465	not really as i don't expext newcastle to beat man u or arsenal allardyches teams very rarely got turned over in the manner that newcastle have in recent weeks and frankly it's embarrassing for the fans and the players, i think allardyche was starting to turn the corner it was just poor officials that did him in not his players and right now i'd have big sam at the the helm with keegan as his no 2.

03-01-2008, 07:23 PM	#20 (permalink)
hubert Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 210 vCash: 500	Did Newcastle make a poor choice, I believe that could be considered an understatement?

03-02-2008, 10:35 PM	#23 (permalink)
toonmagic9 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,771 vCash: 465	quick exit is what isn't needed but some kind of consistentcy, oh and a decent defence and a creative midfield player and a win.