Downing gonna be the new Giggs

theo kawala · 10-05-2006, 05:37 PM

Middlesbrough and England winger Stewart Downing has been tipped to develop into 'the next Ryan Giggs' if critics give him the chance.

Boro team-mate Andrew Davies came through Boro's academy system alongside Downing and has seen the 22-year-old blossom.

Downing may lose his place in Steve McClaren's England team for Saturday's Euro 2008 qualifier against FYR Macedonia, with his performances in the absence of the injured Joe Cole leading some to question his contribution.

However, 21-year-old Davies is confident Downing can prove his detractors wrong and become as complete a player as Wales and Manchester United superstar Giggs.

He said: "It is very unfair. Somebody gave him some of the stats for the games he has played for England and they showed over the last few games, his pass rate was in the nineties (90+%) and his crossing was good.

"I just do not understand why your own country and your own fans and the press would want to get on the back of a player who is doing well.

"He is a top-class player or he would not be in the team. You have got to give him credit - he is only 22.

"You have got to help him instead of criticising him, and that can only be good for England.

"If you tell him how good he is and how well he is doing, he is only going to get better.

"He is only 22 - in the next five years, you could so easily see him being the next Ryan Giggs."

Downing's emergence under McClaren at the Riverside Stadium helped catapult him on to the international stage, and he was in the squad which once again bowed out at the quarter-final stage of a major tournament in this summer's World Cup finals.

The departure of Sven-Goran Eriksson has seen his former club manager take over the reins, and the Middlesbrough-born player has this week been forced to dismiss charges of 'football nepotism'.

However, Davies is confident that, just as when McClaren sent him out on loan to neighbours Sunderland before he made the breakthrough on Teesside, Downing will answer his doubters.

He said: "Even when he went out on loan to Sunderland, the lads always thought he was going to be a top-class player, but where, we did not know.

"He got the belief when he went to Sunderland and did so well. He is mentally very strong, so that will not affect him at all."

There was no place in the England squad this time around for Boro's on-loan Real Madrid defender Jonathan Woodgate, with McClaren admitting he came very close to selecting him.

However, Davies, who has seen the 26-year-old at close hand since his return to English football, believes it is only a matter of time before he gets the call.

Davies said: "Jonathan reads the game very well and he is another one who is very strong mentally. He has been through a tough time, but he has done excellently.

"If he stays injury-free, he will make a real impact.

"No-one has ever doubted what he can do on the pitch. As long as he can stay injury-free, he is going to be excellent for Middlesbrough - and that would be excellent for England too."

ClaretAVFCBlue · 10-05-2006, 07:53 PM

i dont know if its just me but i dont get the downing factor if im honest - i think the lad is over-rated big time and adds nothing on the left flank

theo kawala · 10-05-2006, 08:02 PM

do you think hes better than richardson then? he is a top class player and he deserves to be in the team why do you rate him so badly?

ClaretAVFCBlue · 10-05-2006, 08:09 PM

To be honest with you he spends half of his career injured but still gets in the England squad - the same go's for the selection of Jenas IMO Spurs have been poor this season and dosnt deserve the call even know he is injured

The Sven days were a joke but i think they have just got worse

theo kawala · 10-05-2006, 08:11 PM

u joking worse! now im laughing ok jenas yes he should be out but come on downing hes a bright star.

ClaretAVFCBlue · 10-05-2006, 08:16 PM

Sorry buddy i just dont rate him - i just think its one of these quick fixes to solve the left flank nightmare - IMO Walcott should be playing there

And i believe the only reason Downing is in is because of McClaren's links with him - apart from Spurs no other club has been interested in him

theo kawala · 10-05-2006, 08:24 PM

u rate walcott better than him! ok yes maybe mclaren rates him very highly because he was middlesborough manager but maybe theres something in him

goldenHuddlestone · 10-05-2006, 11:44 PM

I think Dowining's a pretty good player

theo kawala · 10-06-2006, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by goldenHuddlestone

I think Dowining's a pretty good player

thank you as i sayd he is a top class crosser of the ball as good as bechkam when he was young except with the left foot

Joe · 10-06-2006, 10:56 AM

Downing has done nothing for the last season. He has the talent, as Jenas does, but they are not playing well at the moment. Neither of then deserve to be anywhere near the England set up at them moment.

theo kawala · 10-06-2006, 05:09 PM

not in the england set up yes thats right but in the england swuad they did deserve. if u had to choose between bechkam and downing who would u choose?

Joe · 10-06-2006, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theo kawala

not in the england set up yes thats right but in the england swuad they did deserve. if u had to choose between bechkam and downing who would u choose?

I wouldn't have either of them in the England squad. That doesn't mean that I think they are bad players, I just feel as though there are better players available for England.

Downing hasn't done enough to get into the squad. He is not playing well for Boro, do you really think he will play better when faced with more difficult opponents?

theo kawala · 10-06-2006, 05:20 PM

who would u of picked instead then? osman, nolan? etc

goldenHuddlestone · 10-06-2006, 05:25 PM

I think Osman should geta call up

theo kawala · 10-06-2006, 05:38 PM

why? hes not the English level he would only get like 2 caps for me

goldenHuddlestone · 10-07-2006, 12:16 PM

I think he will give a new dimension to the MF. Statistically Downing's Boro compatriot Morrison has been paying better than him.

theo kawala · 10-07-2006, 12:19 PM

yer but im sure mclaren would pick downing

goldenHuddlestone · 10-07-2006, 12:22 PM

yeah definitley

King of Kings · 10-07-2006, 07:26 PM

My midield would be - Cole Gerrard Parker and Lampard. parker to sit, and the other 3 braking, and get width by nringing up the full backs.

ClaretAVFCBlue · 10-07-2006, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theo kawala

not in the england set up yes thats right but in the england swuad they did deserve. if u had to choose between bechkam and downing who would u choose?

Well Downing and Beckham play in to different positions so how can you pick between them?

On the evidence of Downing today basically summed my point up on him - if there relying on him to deliver then they may as well forget it - my nan can cross the ball better than that

Frank Lampard was once again a weak link - if McClaren has the balls to drop Beckham then Frank wont be long IMO - complete different player in an England shirt

England had no shape what so ever and Macedonia deserved there point today - they played England and matched them pound for pound all over the park - Crouch worked hard but there defence had him in there pocket alot of the time IMO

I thought the game changed when SWP come into the fold and we should of done better with the late to chances he created - but he wasnt used to his full potential - play him on the right where he belongs and get the service we were crying out for

theo kawala · 10-08-2006, 07:50 AM

England played crap yesterday

Worksop_Owl · 10-12-2006, 08:57 AM

u can say that again lol!! second goal unlucky. rooney not that good. formation was a disaster as neville seemed uncomfortable but we shud come back from this bad result.

Joe · 10-12-2006, 02:58 PM

I would agree with ClaretAVFCBlue on Downing. He was shocking and I can't remember a decent cross coming into the box for Crouch.

I actually think that Downing has talent but he has not done enough to even get a sniff of an England shirt.

theo kawala · 10-12-2006, 04:03 PM

i dont think england will do any better to be honest they will do badly in the next few games and then come back and play better when the players get on better form

10-05-2006, 05:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	Downing gonna be the new Giggs Middlesbrough and England winger Stewart Downing has been tipped to develop into 'the next Ryan Giggs' if critics give him the chance. Boro team-mate Andrew Davies came through Boro's academy system alongside Downing and has seen the 22-year-old blossom. Downing may lose his place in Steve McClaren's England team for Saturday's Euro 2008 qualifier against FYR Macedonia, with his performances in the absence of the injured Joe Cole leading some to question his contribution. However, 21-year-old Davies is confident Downing can prove his detractors wrong and become as complete a player as Wales and Manchester United superstar Giggs. He said: "It is very unfair. Somebody gave him some of the stats for the games he has played for England and they showed over the last few games, his pass rate was in the nineties (90+%) and his crossing was good. "I just do not understand why your own country and your own fans and the press would want to get on the back of a player who is doing well. "He is a top-class player or he would not be in the team. You have got to give him credit - he is only 22. "You have got to help him instead of criticising him, and that can only be good for England. "If you tell him how good he is and how well he is doing, he is only going to get better. "He is only 22 - in the next five years, you could so easily see him being the next Ryan Giggs." Downing's emergence under McClaren at the Riverside Stadium helped catapult him on to the international stage, and he was in the squad which once again bowed out at the quarter-final stage of a major tournament in this summer's World Cup finals. The departure of Sven-Goran Eriksson has seen his former club manager take over the reins, and the Middlesbrough-born player has this week been forced to dismiss charges of 'football nepotism'. However, Davies is confident that, just as when McClaren sent him out on loan to neighbours Sunderland before he made the breakthrough on Teesside, Downing will answer his doubters. He said: "Even when he went out on loan to Sunderland, the lads always thought he was going to be a top-class player, but where, we did not know. "He got the belief when he went to Sunderland and did so well. He is mentally very strong, so that will not affect him at all." There was no place in the England squad this time around for Boro's on-loan Real Madrid defender Jonathan Woodgate, with McClaren admitting he came very close to selecting him. However, Davies, who has seen the 26-year-old at close hand since his return to English football, believes it is only a matter of time before he gets the call. Davies said: "Jonathan reads the game very well and he is another one who is very strong mentally. He has been through a tough time, but he has done excellently. "If he stays injury-free, he will make a real impact. "No-one has ever doubted what he can do on the pitch. As long as he can stay injury-free, he is going to be excellent for Middlesbrough - and that would be excellent for England too." MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

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10-05-2006, 08:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	do you think hes better than richardson then? he is a top class player and he deserves to be in the team why do you rate him so badly? MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

10-05-2006, 08:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	u joking worse! now im laughing ok jenas yes he should be out but come on downing hes a bright star. MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

10-05-2006, 08:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	u rate walcott better than him! ok yes maybe mclaren rates him very highly because he was middlesborough manager but maybe theres something in him MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

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10-05-2006, 07:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
ClaretAVFCBlue Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 199 vCash: 500	i dont know if its just me but i dont get the downing factor if im honest - i think the lad is over-rated big time and adds nothing on the left flank

10-05-2006, 08:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
ClaretAVFCBlue Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 199 vCash: 500	To be honest with you he spends half of his career injured but still gets in the England squad - the same go's for the selection of Jenas IMO Spurs have been poor this season and dosnt deserve the call even know he is injured The Sven days were a joke but i think they have just got worse

10-05-2006, 08:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
ClaretAVFCBlue Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 199 vCash: 500	Sorry buddy i just dont rate him - i just think its one of these quick fixes to solve the left flank nightmare - IMO Walcott should be playing there And i believe the only reason Downing is in is because of McClaren's links with him - apart from Spurs no other club has been interested in him

10-05-2006, 11:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,647 vCash: 480	I think Dowining's a pretty good player

10-06-2006, 10:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
Joe Football Talk Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 15,571 vCash: 500	Downing has done nothing for the last season. He has the talent, as Jenas does, but they are not playing well at the moment. Neither of then deserve to be anywhere near the England set up at them moment. Thanks for visiting FootballTalk.org. You could register now and have your say.

10-06-2006, 05:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	not in the england set up yes thats right but in the england swuad they did deserve. if u had to choose between bechkam and downing who would u choose? MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

10-06-2006, 05:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	who would u of picked instead then? osman, nolan? etc MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

10-06-2006, 05:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,647 vCash: 480	I think Osman should geta call up

10-06-2006, 05:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	why? hes not the English level he would only get like 2 caps for me MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

10-07-2006, 12:16 PM	#16 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,647 vCash: 480	I think he will give a new dimension to the MF. Statistically Downing's Boro compatriot Morrison has been paying better than him.

10-07-2006, 12:19 PM	#17 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	yer but im sure mclaren would pick downing MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

10-07-2006, 12:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,647 vCash: 480	yeah definitley

10-08-2006, 07:50 AM	#21 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	England played crap yesterday MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

10-12-2006, 08:57 AM	#22 (permalink)
Worksop_Owl Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Urmumsville Posts: 307 vCash: 472	u can say that again lol!! second goal unlucky. rooney not that good. formation was a disaster as neville seemed uncomfortable but we shud come back from this bad result.

10-12-2006, 02:58 PM	#23 (permalink)
Joe Football Talk Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 15,571 vCash: 500	I would agree with ClaretAVFCBlue on Downing. He was shocking and I can't remember a decent cross coming into the box for Crouch. I actually think that Downing has talent but he has not done enough to even get a sniff of an England shirt. Thanks for visiting FootballTalk.org. You could register now and have your say.

10-12-2006, 04:03 PM	#24 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	i dont think england will do any better to be honest they will do badly in the next few games and then come back and play better when the players get on better form MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!