Benitez "leading players are not helping"

theo kawala · 10-16-2006, 06:34 PM

Rafael Benitez has pinpointed Liverpool's disappointing start to the season on his leading players' failure to find top form.

Liverpool are currently 10th in the Premier League and Benitez believes it is the established stars who need to up their game - rather than the new recruits needing to bed in.

The Reds were fortunate to avoid defeat at home to Blackburn at the weekend - Craig Bellamy's late header enabled them to snatch a point - and they travel to France tomorrow to face Bordeaux in the Champions League on Wednesday.

Benitez said: "It's clear some of our more established players need to be at the top of their game.

"If you look at our formation for the game, we had the same back four, with Xabi [Alonso] in front of the defence, that has done so well for us last season.

"We had the same players there but we need to get the balance right when we are attacking because, like the Galatasaray game, we were vulnerable to counter-attacks.

"Saturday was disappointing again but for 30 minutes of the second half we played much better football, we attacked well and the crowd was really behind us.

"The problem is we are only playing like this for 30 minutes now when we know we must do this for 90.

"I said I thought it would be November before we were at our best because of a number of reasons."

Liverpool have injury concerns over Mohamed Sissoko, Dirk Kuyt, Daniel Agger and Robbie Fowler.

Benitez added: "I'm more optimistic Kuyt, Agger and Fowler will be fit, but they're still doubtful at this stage. Momo is the biggest worry of all because he's still having treatment on his ankle."

The Liverpool boss also spelled out his confidence that his side could turn the corner.

"There were positives from the weekend. It was good for Craig to score and at times we played better," he told the Liverpool Echo.

"It's been difficult, but we will improve. I have confidence because we know we have good players who will start to play better.

"Maybe we will have to be more patient. It will take time, but I'm sure we will do it."

goldenHuddlestone · 10-16-2006, 06:41 PM

Carragher has been fairly inconspicious this season

theo kawala · 10-16-2006, 07:50 PM

does that meen good or bad?

Matt the Thrasher · 10-17-2006, 03:58 PM

I think Liverpool rely too heavily on S.Gerrard, if he don't play they don't play.

theo kawala · 10-17-2006, 04:29 PM

true he wont play against bordaux and maybe even not against man u

Joe · 10-17-2006, 05:08 PM

They have relied on Gerrard for too long now. Add to that the squad rotation and there is no fluency with the team. Some of the players coming in are not performing yet he still brings them in to rest the players with better form.

waynelyp90 · 10-17-2006, 05:17 PM

Yup, they sure are relying too much on Gerrard.
Mostly players on the field don't shine enough for them. Gerrard took all up and that's not good.

In recent games, Gerrard was not playing and that will surely kill Liverpool.

Malaka 69 · 10-17-2006, 05:19 PM

stop your bloody moaning u Spanish Git

. He's brought most of these players to the club and is is not his job to get the best out of players. A poor workman always blames his tools and all that...

theo kawala · 10-17-2006, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waynelyp90

Yup, they sure are relying too much on Gerrard.
Mostly players on the field don't shine enough for them. Gerrard took all up and that's not good.

In recent games, Gerrard was not playing and that will surely kill Liverpool.

they can win without him though i mean they are against bordaux!

goldenHuddlestone · 10-17-2006, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malaka 69

stop your bloody moaning u Spanish Git

. He's brought most of these players to the club and is is not his job to get the best out of players. A poor workman always blames his tools and all that...

I've never seen a poor workman with his kind of CV

King of Kings · 10-18-2006, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldenHuddlestone

I've never seen a poor workman with his kind of CV

I can see Malaka's point. This is very much Benitez's side, he has brought most of the players to Liverpool. He has been manager there for some time and should now know how to get the best from them.

He has won the European Cup [albeit with a touch of good fortune] but he has done nothing in the Premiership so far, what he was brought to England for.

theo kawala · 10-18-2006, 07:05 PM

i dont think he will ever win it with liverpool though

Malaka 69 · 10-18-2006, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldenHuddlestone

I've never seen a poor workman with his kind of CV

HELLO, Is there anybody in there. That wasn't the point i was making Einstein. Lets stick to the point in hand eh? benitez, and not for the 1st time, is blaming everyone around him for his troubles (Hence the cliche, which u didn't seeem to grasp). At the end of the day he's paid handsomely to get THE BEST OUT of players and despite his CV he aint cutting it at Anfield. Blaming his players isn't going to make much difference. Can't see slagging his players off in public doing much for morale

waynelyp90 · 10-19-2006, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theo kawala

they can win without him though i mean they are against bordaux!

That's Crouch that helped them. If Kuyt or Bellamy was in Crouch's position in the match, they will not score because of height problems.

Hope Benitez realise that Crouch is the solution for him and let him play regularly.

theo kawala · 10-19-2006, 07:09 AM

on this other thread i have said that crouch is one of liverpools leading players and is a goal scoring machine when on form and someone has says he cant head the ball well as you saw yesterday he can...

waynelyp90 · 10-19-2006, 02:11 PM

Crouch is somehow miserable in many cases. Last season, when he is in a dry patch, fans keep asking Benitez to field someone alse rather than him but Benitez keep putting faith in him.

Now, he is starting to defy all the critics but Benitez is starting the rotation of players. Some bad fate here for him...

theo kawala · 10-19-2006, 03:12 PM

yes this is complicated because when players arent on form he plays them when they are sometimes he puts them as subs i dont understand

10-16-2006, 06:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	Benitez "leading players are not helping" Rafael Benitez has pinpointed Liverpool's disappointing start to the season on his leading players' failure to find top form. Liverpool are currently 10th in the Premier League and Benitez believes it is the established stars who need to up their game - rather than the new recruits needing to bed in. The Reds were fortunate to avoid defeat at home to Blackburn at the weekend - Craig Bellamy's late header enabled them to snatch a point - and they travel to France tomorrow to face Bordeaux in the Champions League on Wednesday. Benitez said: "It's clear some of our more established players need to be at the top of their game. "If you look at our formation for the game, we had the same back four, with Xabi [Alonso] in front of the defence, that has done so well for us last season. "We had the same players there but we need to get the balance right when we are attacking because, like the Galatasaray game, we were vulnerable to counter-attacks. "Saturday was disappointing again but for 30 minutes of the second half we played much better football, we attacked well and the crowd was really behind us. "The problem is we are only playing like this for 30 minutes now when we know we must do this for 90. "I said I thought it would be November before we were at our best because of a number of reasons." Liverpool have injury concerns over Mohamed Sissoko, Dirk Kuyt, Daniel Agger and Robbie Fowler. Benitez added: "I'm more optimistic Kuyt, Agger and Fowler will be fit, but they're still doubtful at this stage. Momo is the biggest worry of all because he's still having treatment on his ankle." The Liverpool boss also spelled out his confidence that his side could turn the corner. "There were positives from the weekend. It was good for Craig to score and at times we played better," he told the Liverpool Echo. "It's been difficult, but we will improve. I have confidence because we know we have good players who will start to play better. "Maybe we will have to be more patient. It will take time, but I'm sure we will do it." MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

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theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	does that meen good or bad? MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

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Matt the Thrasher Admin Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Figueira da Foz ,Portugal Posts: 3,253 vCash: 379	I think Liverpool rely too heavily on S.Gerrard, if he don't play they don't play. The boys of NYPD choir still singing Galway Bay.

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theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	true he wont play against bordaux and maybe even not against man u MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

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goldenHuddlestone Admin Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,647 vCash: 480	Carragher has been fairly inconspicious this season

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Joe Football Talk Admin Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 15,571 vCash: 500	They have relied on Gerrard for too long now. Add to that the squad rotation and there is no fluency with the team. Some of the players coming in are not performing yet he still brings them in to rest the players with better form. Thanks for visiting FootballTalk.org. You could register now and have your say.

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waynelyp90 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Malaysia Posts: 280 vCash: 435	Yup, they sure are relying too much on Gerrard. Mostly players on the field don't shine enough for them. Gerrard took all up and that's not good. In recent games, Gerrard was not playing and that will surely kill Liverpool. GLORY GLORY MANCHESTER UNITED

10-17-2006, 05:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Malaka 69 Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 154 vCash: 515	stop your bloody moaning u Spanish Git . He's brought most of these players to the club and is is not his job to get the best out of players. A poor workman always blames his tools and all that... We don't just beat 'em.....we HUMP 'em baby!!

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theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	i dont think he will ever win it with liverpool though MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

10-19-2006, 07:09 AM	#15 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	on this other thread i have said that crouch is one of liverpools leading players and is a goal scoring machine when on form and someone has says he cant head the ball well as you saw yesterday he can... MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

10-19-2006, 02:11 PM	#16 (permalink)
waynelyp90 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Malaysia Posts: 280 vCash: 435	Crouch is somehow miserable in many cases. Last season, when he is in a dry patch, fans keep asking Benitez to field someone alse rather than him but Benitez keep putting faith in him. Now, he is starting to defy all the critics but Benitez is starting the rotation of players. Some bad fate here for him... GLORY GLORY MANCHESTER UNITED

10-19-2006, 03:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
theo kawala Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: england peterborough Posts: 3,138 vCash: 500	yes this is complicated because when players arent on form he plays them when they are sometimes he puts them as subs i dont understand MR VA VA VOOM HES THE BEST!! HES GONNA SCORE A THOUSAND GOALS WHEN HE STARTS EVERY GAME!!!

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